Full rights ? ? ?

[Gumballer]

When selling for free rights you should state what you would like to keep in rights form, such as creator rights. Full rights on something lets you wear the signature, post the .psd where you see fit and take layers from it if the creator allows it.[/b]

WHAT ???? Take layers from it if the creator allows it ? ? ?

Come on. Thats ridiculous. Layer taking is intolerateable in any possible way. It doesn't matter how much someone pays for it. You might as well claim you made it then. Imagine. You buy a proffesional sig. And you maybe change 1 or 2 layers and some text. You enter it in an SOTW, you win ofcource. Or you use those layers in all of your sigs and you get ranked as proffesional. Thats just ridiculous. Talent is NOT for sale. If you can't design, then thats your problem, go do what you're good in then but don't steal the talent of someone else. Its like buying a symfony of Beethoven and say. "I composed it, I'm a genius" Or buy the car invention and say you invented it. Its just paying for stealing. Not buying.

Come on, please tell me thats a mistake.. or perhaps a joke.. in each ways.. it shouldn't be.

-Slightly pissed off, Gumball.

[Sean]

:lol: Share what you think LR, PR & FR are please.

[Gumballer]

come on, you got to be kidding me. Thats not sharing. Thats cheating. You aren't going to apply for a job with the graduation of someone else are you ?

[Sean]

come on, you got to be kidding me. Thats not sharing. Thats cheating. You aren't going to apply for a job with the graduation of someone else are you ?[/b]

There was some arguing going on earlier days of the forum about this so why dont you clear it up for us.

[Gumballer]

how do you mean clear up ? There's not that much to clean up is there now ? There should just be placed a dot after fit and the rest after it deleted... and if there has been a problem I would love to know about it, maybe I can help..

[Sean]

I know that what you stated above is bull :lol: Too me full rights is that you can share it with other even sell it, nothing else. Taking layers from the psd is ripping.

[Gumballer]

Well.. then we both agree .. or am I wrong ? Thats what I mean. Taking layers from a psd is ripping. Why is that god damn sentence still there then ? Are there people who think that its right to claim other mans work, inspiration, sometimes sleepless nights, as their own ?

[Sean]

If you write up what you think:

LR-

PR-

FR-

I will change it.

[Mehhht]

I think full rights should be like selling complete rights to a tag to someone else. So if you sell full rights you should be able to use whatever layers you want. If you were a gfx artist and sold a piece of work to someone else, if they wanted to edit it to their liking, why should you complain, you got the money, right?

If you don't want that to happen, then don't sell your tags for full rights. Easy.

[Sean]

I think full rights should be like selling complete rights to a tag to someone else. So if you sell full rights you should be able to use whatever layers you want. If you were a gfx artist and sold a piece of work to someone else, if they wanted to edit it to their liking, why should you complain, you got the money, right?

If you don't want that to happen, then don't sell your tags for full rights. Easy.[/b]

So what your saying is, if you sold a tag for FR and the person added text, the tag is his he made it ?, get ranked with that tag.

[Gumballer]

You realy don't have to write up what I think but if you want my honest opinion, well here it goes:

LR- This stands for learning rights meaning that you have the right to learn from it, you don't have right on anything else on the art-work in question. You can not post it anywhere or sell it. You can not take layers from it or call it as your own, you can not make a tutorial out of it and you can not wear it.
NOTE: this is enshorted also as LRO meaning learning rights only which has the same content.

PR- This stands for posting rights meaning that you can learn from it, post it anywhere you want and make a tutorial out of it and post it anywhere you want but only for learning rights (LRO). You can not post it for posting rights or full rights. You can not take any layers of it or claim it as your own. And you can not wear it.

FR- This stands for full rights (aka free rights) meaning that you can learn from it, post it anywhere you want and sell it anywhere you want for LR, PR or FR. You can also make a tutorial out of it and post it / sell it for LR, PR or FR anywhere you want. You can only wear it if you give credit to the designer. You can not take any layers of it or claim it as your own.

That is what I think of LR, PR and FR.

EDIT: @mehhht yes, but its not only up to the buyer and the designer to decide that. Just like its not up to a criminal and a victime to decide whats right and whats wrong. Something that is stealing/ripping in a fancy word can not be allowed rather its the will of the designer or not.

[Sean]

Approved and added to original thread.

[Gumballer]

Realy, I apreciate this big time man, thx.

[.C GFX]

Well this got fixed :D Locked :D

[Hush]

uhhh..........sorry gumballer but your wrong, you MAY take layers from a tag if the creator SPECIFICALLY says you can. This doesn't mean you can claim the tag as your own, it means if there is say an effect layer or gradient-map you like, you are allowed to take it. (If you have the rights to)

Most people who sell FR don't allow but on rare occasions you are allowed to so I'm changing it back, but I'll make the rule clearer.


Anyone else have any comments on this?

[Chipe]

there is a difference between full rights and free rights. full rights does not mean you can take layers. free rights does

[Gumballer]

I don't think that you're getting me. Taking layers is stealing. I never said that you can claim that you made it but if you took so many layers of it that its actually the same then its just stealing and thats what this rule allows. It doesn't matter what the creator allows you to. Imagine picasso says here is my painting now its yours and you can claim you made it. Now you're a genius. Its not fair wether the creator wants it or not. It'll just end up with novice people putting in some cash and be conciderd pro.
There is no limmit on taking layers off a sig so that basicly allows you to claim you made it. Its just not fair and un-ethical. You can't sell talent.. its just impossible. It doesn't matter if the creator wants it or not, it still stays wrong.

[Hush]

If you show me ONE pro tag that allows layer ripping, I might consider revising the rule.

[Chipe]

i know what ur sayign dude it is a stupid thing. but you can't really stop it now that there is so many forums.

[Hush]

I edited it back but put a side-note in their. Does that cover it in your opinion?

[Gumballer]

No I haven't seen it.. but I HAVE found a LOT of rippers innocent becaus of that rule...
but anywayz.. I'll stop medling ;)

[Hush]

Can you show me some 'rippers' that have become innocent from that rule?

Edit:
Actually never mind, it's over now.