Right or Wrong: Homosexual Relationships.

[Thrasher]

Do you think it is right or wrong homosexual Relationships?

I think it's not right but neither wrong http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif i got nothing against gay people one of my teachers is gay and also married, and he is a really friendly guy.


And yeah i saw this topic in an other forum and thought that it would be quite intresting to ask here http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[murch]

i dont think its wrong at all, but i think its wrong if they adopt a child, as that child (atleast around here) would be ridiculed for most of his youth years, if that makes sense......but no i dont think marriage is wrong.

[sylverCode]

I don't really care about them, but they are not really welcome here. ^^

[+mw.Sourcery]

I dont have a problem with gays, i dont mind them doing each other in the butt, i dont mind if they get married, in fact i dont mind if they adopt children. I wish more gay couples would/could adopt children. We have so many needy children who need families whether gay or straight. If a child NEEDS a home give them one. Its not like the gays are gonna turn them gay!

[Aloe]

Nothing wrong with gays.. they are really nice imo.. as long as they dont do stuff in front of me http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif..

[fatfatfatalbert2]

I don't think there's any problem with being gay


I don't really care about them, but they are not really welcome here. ^^[/b]

Why aren't they welcomed? :blink1:O_o

[feonix]

I don't really care about them, but they are not really welcome here. ^^[/b]

That... is rude -1

As far as my opinion I think its just fine they have all the same right to be unhappy as the rest of us... lol
I have several friends that are homosexual and they are just like everybody else.

I often get asked if im gay... its a tad disturbing. I guess a hetro guy cant dress so nicely...

[sylverCode]

That... is rude -1

As far as my opinion I think its just fine they have all the same right to be unhappy as the rest of us... lol
I have several friends that are homosexual and they are just like everybody else.

I often get asked if im gay... its a tad disturbing. I guess a hetro guy cant dress so nicely...[/b]
lol? You're funny, I didn't mean they are not welcome in this forum, but in my country, cause people in here are not really used to them. >_> I've got nothing against gay people, as long as like vera said they don't do their gaish stuff in front of me. >_>

[Thrasher]

I often get asked if im gay... its a tad disturbing. I guess a hetro guy cant dress so nicely...[/b]

got the same problem http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[feonix]

got the same problem http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/b]

Frank were brothers of the same kind my friend http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

oh and I cheer soo.... that could be some of it too

but cheerleading is so not gay though cause you have to stunt and tumble, Id like to see you hold a girl up with one arm over your head.

[Thrasher]

Frank were brothers of the same kind my friend

oh and I cheer soo.... that could be some of it too

but cheerleading is so not gay though cause you have to stunt and tumble, Id like to see you hold a girl up with one arm over your head.[/b]

Sorry i don't cheer http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif i am more into skateboarding http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Marieke]

I don't have anything against gays http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif Although it still looks a bit weird imo I'm completely fine with it, glad they choose for something what they are happy with ^^

A friend of mine (girl) announced a few months ago she is gay and her mother was really angry about it... I think thats weird: don't accept your own child as the person she is http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif I understand it's difficult/sad but get angry about it?....

[murch]

people think in most cases cheerleaders are homosexuals, but most often there really not, im not one, but theres one in my school, hes is gay http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif but he is very open about it, even wears girl clothing and stuff which i think isdisguisting but hey its his choice, but when you see a thong on a guy it jsut makes ya wonder http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif why?

[Flow]

im not against it either.If someone though adopted a child I think thats wrong b/c he will be teased VERY BAD

[feonix]

Other people shouldnt affect other peoples lives this much its silly IMO. They arent like raping little girls...

[Thrasher]

Other people shouldnt affect other peoples lives this much its silly IMO. They arent like raping little girls...[/b]

what about boys? anyways i think that even gay coulples should be able to adopt children there are so many kids that don't have parrents and that would die for 1 dad and would be even more happy with 2 daddy's? http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[feonix]

I guess they could be raping little boys...
But yeh I agree lots of kids would be fine with two dads or two moms as long as rosie o'donnel isint one.
stupid whale

[Flow]

stupid whale lol
but come on,when your little you always call for your "mommy"
I think my life would be very diffrent if i didnt have my mom

[feonix]

True but you wouldnt think to call for your mommy.
it could get confusing but I think youd be alright http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[QUY]

I don't have a problem with it. Whatever floats your boat! Just don't be hitting up on me! I'm straight as can be! http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[tampazxfinest]

WrOnG, As MeNtIoNeD iN tHe BiBlE !!!

[Omega]

I really don't care if someone is homosexual as long as they stay the hell away from me. I think they should be aloud to get married, it is not fair that only guy, girl couples get to feel like crap for the rest of there life.

[Chocoholic]

So negative all, 'stay the hell away from me' 'don't do things in front of me'

Personally, I find it disturbing if any couple, whether boy/girl, Boy/boy or girl/girl, is getting all mushy and smouchy right in front of my eyes.

I have nothing against same sex relationships, marriages, or parents. I mean, why not, right?

[frantic]

One of my friends is gay(lesbian). She is really cool aswell, I have nothing against them and I dont think its wrong. Love is love, nothing can change that.

[+mw.Sourcery]

yall might hate me after i say this but, meh its the internet wtf do i care? LOL

First, im not an Atheist, but i dont believe in God.

Second, the bible is such bullshit. Id first sooner believe a goat could give birth to an Elephant before id believe anything printed in that thing. Someone should make a bible topic LOL i love debating religion.

Anyway i like gays. Especially drag queens and the falmboyantly gay. One of my best friends is gay and i love him.


PS - sorry Luke http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[tampazxfinest]

Wow... I Have Nothing To Say Now

[frantic]

goat could give birth to an Elephant[/b]

Something like that did come out when i did the go... woops. I said nothing http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Im 50/50 on the whole bible issue TBH. Some historical evidence does backup parts of the bible, but most parts they have no proof.

[feonix]

WrOnG, As MeNtIoNeD iN tHe BiBlE !!![/b]
Technically it isnt really. But of course you can take any scripture out of context and say that.

I really don't care if someone is homosexual as long as they stay the hell away from me. I think they should be aloud to get married, it is not fair that only guy, girl couples get to feel like crap for the rest of there life.[/b]

Yeh i must say PDA can be quite disturbing.

[tampazxfinest]

OVERALL, I Think Its Wrong

[hellraid]

I dont mind them let them be in love if they want too bible is bleeh imo i rather believe in hell http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[tampazxfinest]

Well, Love & Pleasure Are 2 Totally Different Things http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif

[feonix]

Well, Love & Pleasure Are 2 Totally Different Things http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif[/b]

They may be but,
they are connected so you cant really seperate them.

Even still if two people want to be together whats your place to say they shouldnt be that way.

And since you seem to think its so bible wrong how about this,

Let those without sin cast the first stone...

now you wouldnt say you have never sinned so lets not be so quick to point the finger

Those who cast judgement shall be judged..

Its seems to work out that people who judge others are usually the ones who end up doing that exact thing because they feel guilty about their own self doing it.

ex. Rush Limbough - Always comes down hard on people who do drugs or have a drug connection and he got busted for abusing precription pain killers.

[hynfaeries0]

people think in most cases cheerleaders are homosexuals, but most often there really not, im not one, but theres one in my school, hes is gay http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif but he is very open about it, even wears girl clothing and stuff which i think isdisguisting but hey its his choice, but when you see a thong on a guy it jsut makes ya wonder http://www.gfxjunk.com/board/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif why?[/b]

Wait, guys are not supposed to wear thongs? O_o what about those bodybuilders?
Why do girls wear thongs? O_o

Anyways, I have nothing against gay people. I think they should be allowed to marry. I also have some very funny picture comics supporting gay rights.

I got these of Facebook.

Quite Funny and Ironic:
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Wow...:
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True that:
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Haha:
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Interesting:
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Bush again:
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A lighter Topic:
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Power of TV:
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I think you all get this:
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Whooooooooooooooooooo:
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[Ralic]

Nothing against them, but i dont feel the most comfortable around them for some reason. Nto trying to be mean or anything :(

[feonix]

@hynfaeries0
Next time just link to the images (I dunno what other admins have to say that tho).

Underwear are a social thing. In some societys, they dosnt wear them. This includes bras too.

@Ralic
Alot of people seem to fear/feel uncomfortable around things they dont understand.

[Ralic]

Its true. I just cant see how anybody cannot be straight

[feonix]

Its just how people are not really one thing or the other just be like w.e lol

nothing suprises me

[big_red_nut]

but i think its wrong if they adopt a child, as that child (atleast around here) would be ridiculed for most of his youth years[/b]

yeh that would happen here to espically if they go to the school I go to because everyone gets teased all the time at my school

I don't think it is wrong you can like who you like end of story

[feonix]

But everybody gets teased so that irrevelant

[Krissy]

I think homosexual relationships are okay. I think people are supposed to be with who they love, and if that person just so happens to be of the same gender, it's okay.. I've been in a gay relationship before, and it's just like straight relationships. Except girls are way more confusing than guys. O__o And I think it's funny how people are like, "I don't understand how people are gay. How can they like someone that is the same gender as them?" It's all about preference. Just how one guy may be attracted to large racks, another may be attracted to large..'packages'. People should not be criticized for their preference, for their desires. People cannot help what they want. It's just as ignorant as criticizing someone for their favorite band or something..It's pretty childish to judge someone just for what they like. People shouldn't have to conform to what is 'normal'.

[big_red_nut]

But everybody gets teased so that irrevelant[/b]

no I meant if you don't meet the credentials of the popular kids

[feonix]

you just agreed with my point...

[bassiks]

I can honestly say i couldnt care less, Do what you want.

[Kadie]

I like gay people, they just seem friendlier for some reason. I have nothing against them at all, what they do in the bedroom is there buisiness, i'm not gonna be thinking about it.

[Drew]

doesn't matter to me. sometimes it can get annoying like kids will see gay kids and make fun of them. i feel bad for them. but still - in the bible it says something bout homosexuality i thought... i dunno... i'm not going to get involved in this type of stuff haha.

[Bradas]

Yeah I'm all for Homosexual relationships :P

I'm not gay, maybe a bit bi though. I dont care what people think. I'm not going to tell my mates cause it was only yesterday when they said they hated all gays and all gays deserved to die. Hmmmph. It pisses me off so damn badly!

[+mw.Sourcery]

in the bible it says something bout homosexuality i thought...[/b]

the only thing the bible is useful for is a coaster for my beer and my bong.

If we follow everything written in a book then im going to write some commandments of my own. Thou shalt not be a retard.
Thou shalt user a turn signal when changing lanes
Though shalt only ask for anal on christmas and birthdays
etc...etc...etc...

Anywho, i still say what people do with their own lives is fine. You wanna plug a dude in the butt, so be it.

[Deater]

Personaly, im aginst it. but hey, w/e floats ur boat.. but i also would say, a girl has a butthole, a girl has a mouth, and if u wont her to, she can put on a dick and bang away.

[murch]

Thou shalt user a turn signal when changing lanes[/b]

Thou shalt write out correct sentences. :P

anyway back on topic, its not wrong imo, but i do agree with deater on that one.

[Asa]

I have nothing against homosexuals but I am agaisnt crossdressing and same-sex marriage for some reason.

I can't say it's wrong, it's just somehow feels wrong. But if it was so natural why are people making a huge song and dance about it?

But I wouldn't get too worried about it, the only thign that upsets me is that they are putting this political issue in school to children which I think is wrong especially if they're religous. :S

[chester]

I'm for it.
If people are born gay, how are they meant to suddenly be 'normal'?
It's all the process of Evolution, anyway. Their genes evolved differently.
If you think of it, gays are actually helping the human race advance, so why do we hate them?
And I'm straight, so you know.

[[B.A.M]]

Personally I'm bisexual. And it's no big deal in my life. I have a best friend who is against gays and a best friend who is gay. So I'm kinda stuck in the middle. It isn't wrong to be gay, if you are a guy who likes a guy, be with that guy! Same thing with women.

[Cranos]

It's not wrong imo. I know gay people. They're fun, normal people. It's different, not right or wrong.

[RaD]

Anywho, i still say what people do with their own lives is fine. You wanna plug a dude in the butt, so be it.[/b]

And thats exactly where people think wrong.

A lot of people think homosexuality and the gay marriage is all about the sex, the "plugging in the butt" thing. All people see in gay people is the sex and the disgustingness of that. They can't stand to watch 2 boys kiss, because they aren't gay themselves (or they just don't want to show it...)

Just like in regular marriages, sex isn't the main part in the relationship. When you say, straight marriage, many people will say, love and bondage and children and parents etc. When you say gay marriage, a lot will say, sex, disgusting, boy and boy. I could bet you for 100 dollars that the number of times love will be named is a lot less then when you say straight marriage. This is just because some people don't understand the meaning of (gay) marriage... Gays marry with the same reason and thoughts as straight people do, just because they are 2 boys that doesn't mean they can't love.......

[[B.A.M]]

And thats exactly where people think wrong.

A lot of people think homosexuality and the gay marriage is all about the sex, the "plugging in the butt" thing. All people see in gay people is the sex and the disgustingness of that. They can't stand to watch 2 boys kiss, because they aren't gay themselves (or they just don't want to show it...)

Just like in regular marriages, sex isn't the main part in the relationship. When you say, straight marriage, many people will say, love and bondage and children and parents etc. When you say gay marriage, a lot will say, sex, disgusting, boy and boy. I could bet you for 100 dollars that the number of times love will be named is a lot less then when you say straight marriage. This is just because some people don't understand the meaning of (gay) marriage... Gays marry with the same reason and thoughts as straight people do, just because they are 2 boys that doesn't mean they can't love.......[/b]


That's where I agree with you. Mainly people are sickened by it like my friend I mentioned eariler. Love can be appreciated in gays such as lesbains and straight people.

[Evenflow]

i dont care wat epople do in there homes but sometimes i see the flaming gay people wearing womens clothes and that pisses me off...but a normal gay person i dont mind at all.

[[B.A.M]]

IMO I hate the female gays. Makes all guys look bad. The person should rather have a sex change then cross dress.

[Cranos]

It gives them the stereotype and that's never good, certainly not this one.

[RaD]

IMO I hate the female gays. Makes all guys look bad. The person should rather have a sex change then cross dress.[/b]


Why is that?

Because people like to stereotype..?

Dunno, but i don't think a guy that likes to dress up like a women makes all other guys look bad... I mean, when you see a guy dressing up like a women, would you think he is straight..? (unless its a bet or whatever)

I don't think if a women sees such a man that she will think, "Oh my! All guys are like that!"

And btw, changing sex is very expensive, it can easily cost you over 100 thousand dollars... I don't think many people will want to spend that kind of money when they can also just dress up like a woman every now and then...

One more thing, I don't think many women mind that some people like to dress up as a women... It's the (jealous, straight) guys that mind... Of course there are some extreme cases where i think, "What the hell has he... She... IT done to it's... body..?" But i don't really mind when people like to dress up like a women... Although i would never do it myself.....

[hynfaeries0]

Personaly, im aginst it. but hey, w/e floats ur boat.. but i also would say, a girl has a butthole, a girl has a mouth, and if u wont her to, she can put on a dick and bang away.[/b]

umm... There are more to gay relationships than just sex. same with straight relationships. It's called love, people are gay not because they like having sex with guys, but because they feel attracted and happy being with a guy.

[Darkmaster]

I really don't care who people like. If guys like guys and girls like girls good for them. Let them marry and just leave them the hell alone. Now I will start to feel a bit weird if a gay guy hits on me. It gets me bit creeped out :P

[hynfaeries0]

ya, PDA is just weird, but what you do in bed and in your room is your business, as long as it doesn't hurt the other person.

[Buffet]

I think people have the right to exercise their own personal sexual orientation. Homosexuality shouldn't be criminalized. In Singapore, sex between two males is a crime if caught.

However, yet again, I don't think this deserve so much hype. I don't think it's nice if someone holds a glaring "I'm gay" sign down the streets. Likewise if you're a homosexual and you see a large "proud to be a heterosexual" sign invading your visual territory, you wouldn't be too happy either.

So it'll be best if people keep their sexual lives private. Being respectful and tolerant towards people with different sexual orientation, and treating them with dignity, is the way to go IMO.

[status.]

It is the peoples decision on what they want to do with their lives.

Others shouldn't interfere.

[.C GFX]

Yup i belive its correct as most people say that its what people want.. -.-" and the rest cant judge

[superiorgamer]

*takes a step out of the idotic media view*

yaya, sex for anything and aids for everybody!! Catchey logo eh? LETS ALL BE GAY AND DESTROY THE HUMAN RACE? Heck, I mean, why not? There is obviously no economic disadvantages from having an increasing gay socitey with increased desease, lower life, and more cross sex rapes. *takes a pen out and removes the cap* Now... this pen cap only go on in 1 direction. Trying something diffrent than it was intented can have rather negative side effects :P (no duh)
I mean, the more gays the better right? :P Besides if there weren't as many lesibians there might be less sex movies for the demented idiots that watch. Oh well, just cause some people want to do something demented, well its there right! WE MUST FIGHT AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO ANY DEMENTED THING THEY WANT!!! Right? If we didn't have a right to be demented, I mean, that just wouldn't be fair. Heres a question, why in the world arn't we allowed to have sex with animals? What if i'm born with an attraction for diffrence species? :P

Now, rather than be offended by this, refute it. :P (if you can)


Now, hopefully you took the time to read that abit. One point I must stress is to hate the deed but love the person. Just because you may strongly oppose it or be for it doesn't mean you should act wrongly against the person. Just clarafication for other idots who oppose gay abortion so much they murder them...e.c.t. :dry2: Or for the people that are for it and idotically call anyone against it racis..e.c.t. Stop the extremism already.

Why is something against the law?
Well, since people have decided to overlook morality heres a more simple and easy cratiera.
Something that hurts your self.
Something that hurts people directly related to you.
Something that hurts people that are not involved.

The gay life style does all of these by increasing sexal transmited disease by the 100,000s. Increases rapes in general and with the same sex. Also hurts the economy of civilized nations because of the decreasing amount of humans due to gay and abortions. It also destroys and degrades the "Family" even further which also hurts the economy. Not to mention the problems with kids that are currently being raised by only 1 gender of a parent. Genitically, phyically, and emotionally kids also need a father.
For these reasons and more, gay marraige shouldn't be allowed. Should have rights but not the "rights" to do what ever demented thing they can think up of.

[Marda]

Well what are you gonna do, some guys don't find females attractive and some females don't find guys attractive.

I'm not for it, but you gotta put yourself in their shoes, what if you didn't find females attractive and you found guys attractive (vise-versa), but "coming out" would get you treated like trash all of your life... it's amazing, the amount of "gay bashers" I see at school and on the web.

from what I see the only people that get bashed are the males, everyone seems to love the lesbians... or at least every guy :thumbsup:

About the adopting thing, I'm against that.

[superiorgamer]

So it'll be best if people keep their sexual lives private. Being respectful and tolerant towards people with different sexual orientation, and treating them with dignity, is the way to go IMO.[/b]

It can be done behind closed doors as anything can but it doesn't mean it has negitiave effects on other people including there selves.

Now as for tollerence. Should I tollerate a persons who is a terriosts and only purpose in life is to blow me up? Ummm no :P There are things that simply can't be tollerated. Gays don't only transimit sexaul related deseases within there own groups but also Increases rapes in general and with the same sex. Also hurts the economy of civilized nations because of the decreasing amount of humans due to gay and abortions. It also destroys and degrades the "Family" even further which also hurts the economy. Not to mention the problems with kids that are currently being raised by only 1 gender of a parent. Genitically, phyically, and emotionally kids also need a father.
For these reasons and more, gay marraige shouldn't be allowed. People should have rights but not the "rights" to do what ever demented thing they can think up of.

Its not as simply as respecting some one elses choice that doesn't effect anyone else. Or else there wouldn't be an issue.

[Sephi]

Well, i don't really care what they do, aslong as they don't go for me, i'm fine :)

[kmittenz]

I really don't care who people like. If guys like guys and girls like girls good for them. Let them marry and just leave them the hell alone.[/b]

I agree with you.

[CheeKy]

Well, i don't really care what they do, aslong as they don't go for me, i'm fine :)[/b]
Agreed as long as they dont bother me...

[Absolute]

Agreed.
I have no problem what htey do and who with (and went sex) but i prefer them not to be attracted to me lol

[yes.]

Meh, it's whatever floats your boat. Everyone is their own individuals and thus we have our own feelings, even up to our sexual preference.

[+muzik]

ye we cant say its wrong. and ye its watever rocks their boat

[Highroller]

I admit I'm homophobic but as long as they don't bother me I'm good. I can't do anything to stop them so I don't try.

[Dillon]

It can be done behind closed doors as anything can but it doesn't mean it has negitiave effects on other people including there selves.

Now as for tollerence. Should I tollerate a persons who is a terriosts and only purpose in life is to blow me up? Ummm no :P There are things that simply can't be tollerated. Gays don't only transimit sexaul related deseases within there own groups but also Increases rapes in general and with the same sex. Also hurts the economy of civilized nations because of the decreasing amount of humans due to gay and abortions. It also destroys and degrades the "Family" even further which also hurts the economy. Not to mention the problems with kids that are currently being raised by only 1 gender of a parent. Genitically, phyically, and emotionally kids also need a father.
For these reasons and more, gay marraige shouldn't be allowed. People should have rights but not the "rights" to do what ever demented thing they can think up of.

Its not as simply as respecting some one elses choice that doesn't effect anyone else. Or else there wouldn't be an issue.[/b]
YAY FOR IGNORANCE! You have many stereo types in that and most are untrue. Homosexuality isnt demented. I hope one of your kids is gay and you say this to them.


I am a very open minded person. You are who you are. You cant change that. Most homosexuals dont hit on straight people on purpose. They dont all touch you. but i do notice more straigh people acting gay in public and people just are like what ever. but if real gay people act them selves. its like OMG FAG! IMMA KICK YOUR ASS. Intolerance is not right. Eveyone has the right to make them happy. in the US its the law! but alas americans are some of the biggest hypocrites out there

[superiorgamer]

YAY FOR IGNORANCE! You have many stereo types in that and most are untrue. Homosexuality isnt demented. I hope one of your kids is gay and you say this to them.
I am a very open minded person. You are who you are. You cant change that. Most homosexuals dont hit on straight people on purpose. They dont all touch you. but i do notice more straigh people acting gay in public and people just are like what ever. but if real gay people act them selves. its like OMG FAG! IMMA KICK YOUR ASS. Intolerance is not right. Eveyone has the right to make them happy. in the US its the law! but alas americans are some of the biggest hypocrites out there[/b]

Not sure if you have ever taken debate but lets keep out the logical fallacies.
YAY FOR IGNORANCE![/b]:Logical fallacy of "personal attack".
You have many stereo types in that and most are untrue.[/b]: Logical Falaciy of hasty generalization without proof.
Homosexuality isnt demented[/b] :Logical fallacy of "hasty generalization" without proof.
I hope one of your kids is gay and you say this to them.[/b]: Logical fallacy: Personal attack

Now.... I could keep going on but it would get a little pointless. I appreciate your uhhh baseless post but you said I’m wrong without refuting my evidence. Let me explain quick, you failed to show how gays really don't increase sexual transmitted diseases, cross sex rapes, hurt economy, and degrades the family which is the most important working unit in any country. Not to mention the serious mental issues that are reported with children that are being raised with gay parents.

Perhaps instead of telling me to "FAG! IMMA KICK YOUR ASS", you should learn to debate with logic and reason. If I’m wrong, perhaps you should hint as to why instead of presenting completely off subject proof, ill reasoned logic, and personal attacks.


I firmly agree with you, Americans are hypocrits. However, might I ask, who isn't?

[CheeKy]

First of all why would it increase rape? Also why would it hurt the economy? Abortions doesnt has anything to do with "homo" and besides that if they didnt use abortion it would hurt the economy even more. Most abortions is being used on teenagers with children, they wont be able to take care off the kid which results in them getting no work and so on since they have to be with the kid all day long. You say that being gay is a desease...thats your personal opinion...and not based on facts. Ofcourse kids need both a father and mother but if 2 people from the same gender really want children and have the money and ability to take care of it well. Than I dont see any problems..Maybe the kid could be bullied but I think homosexuality is accepted all over the world except in Islamic countries.

I have the feeling that you are just DUMB and that you never met a gay person. You are just like terrorists, you dont know anything about the world but you say everything sucks and only straight people are allowed by "God". I think that you are a very religious person.

[superiorgamer]

First of all why would it increase rape? Also why would it hurt the economy? Abortions doesnt has anything to do with "homo" and besides that if they didnt use abortion it would hurt the economy even more. Most abortions is being used on teenagers with children, they wont be able to take care off the kid which results in them getting no work and so on since they have to be with the kid all day long. You say that being gay is a desease...thats your personal opinion...and not based on facts. Ofcourse kids need both a father and mother but if 2 people from the same gender really want children and have the money and ability to take care of it well. Than I dont see any problems..Maybe the kid could be bullied but I think homosexuality is accepted all over the world except in Islamic countries.

I have the feeling that you are just DUMB and that you never met a gay person. You are just like terrorists, you dont know anything about the world but you say everything sucks and only straight people are allowed by "God". I think that you are a very religious person.[/b]

It is intresting that the people who are devoted to tollerance of any forum of sex without restriction are anything but tollerant of any opisition. Infact, oppisition in this case is ossiciated with terrorists, the mass murders of thousands. Now I am asking you, who is being the resonable? :P If you categorize anyone who disagress with you in the same category as a terriorst, you are one intollerent person indeed. I'm quite intrested as to how you can say how opposing something thats been opposed by majority of civilization 8000 years is all the sudden the equivelent of terrorism.

*Note, I believe we are arguing gay relasionships and not abortion. Considering a large part of your post is on abortion, i'm rather puzzled as to why it is in this thread. However, i'd be happy to debate that in a new thread. Never the less, as for my evidence, one rather large reason against homesexaulallity is the fact that it would increase sexaully transimisted diseases. Would you care to adress that please? In addition, gays would open up a whole new sort of crime as in same gender rapes which I'm not really looking forward to.. are you? Thirdly, it hurts the economy by a decrease in population. The economy depends on an ever increasing population in order to support the older generation. This is not speculation but simple fact of modern socitey. Another one of my points was that it hurts the most important unit of any working class socity which is the family. As I have stated before, (forgive repeativeness) the family is a necessary unit for any enconomy and with the continue breakdown of it through gay marraige and other modern social issues have also hurt the economy.

As for the mental issues regarding children raised by gay families, the same issues can be obsevered under divorced or single mother parrents. (aka its not just some random speculation). The fact is that children natarully need both a mother and father. They desire the strength, stability, and example of a father in addition to a mother who is both a teacher and example. To take either away presents a rather large whole in a childs devolpment which can provide serious challenges in growing up. Now, when I say that i'm not discrediting any people under single parrents because a majority of my friends were raised under single parrents and are amazing in everyway all the same. However, that does not change the fact that they desired for both a mother and a father which should be the right of any child. I believe this same issue can apply to gay parrents and they simply can't fill in the wholes of a normal family.

[CheeKy]

It is intresting that the people who are devoted to tollerance of any forum of sex without restriction are anything but tollerant of any opisition. Infact, oppisition in this case is ossiciated with terrorists, the mass murders of thousands. Now I am asking you, who is being the resonable? :P If you categorize anyone who disagress with you in the same category as a terriorst, you are one intollerent person indeed. I'm quite intrested as to how you can say how opposing something thats been opposed by majority of civilization 8000 years is all the sudden the equivelent of terrorism.

*Note, I believe we are arguing gay relasionships and not abortion. Considering a large part of your post is on abortion, i'm rather puzzled as to why it is in this thread. However, i'd be happy to debate that in a new thread. Never the less, as for my evidence, one rather large reason against homesexaulallity is the fact that it would increase sexaully transimisted diseases. Would you care to adress that please? In addition, gays would open up a whole new sort of crime as in same gender rapes which I'm not really looking forward to.. are you? Thirdly, it hurts the economy by a decrease in population. The economy depends on an ever increasing population in order to support the older generation. This is not speculation but simple fact of modern socitey. Another one of my points was that it hurts the most important unit of any working class socity which is the family. As I have stated before, (forgive repeativeness) the family is a necessary unit for any enconomy and with the continue breakdown of it through gay marraige and other modern social issues have also hurt the economy.

As for the mental issues regarding children raised by gay families, the same issues can be obsevered under divorced or single mother parrents. (aka its not just some random speculation). The fact is that children natarully need both a mother and father. They desire the strength, stability, and example of a father in addition to a mother who is both a teacher and example. To take either away presents a rather large whole in a childs devolpment which can provide serious challenges in growing up. Now, when I say that i'm not discrediting any people under single parrents because a majority of my friends were raised under single parrents and are amazing in everyway all the same. However, that does not change the fact that they desired for both a mother and a father which should be the right of any child. I believe this same issue can apply to gay parrents and they simply can't fill in the wholes of a normal family.[/b]
You came up with the abortion not me. It also wont hurt the economy since the people who you are talking about are already born. By the time they are able to get children all the people where they should take care off are already dead and above all a small % of the humans are gay so it doesnt affect the economy that much. In what way would it increase rape and why would it increase sexual transmitted deseases? Also about the father and mother thing is the biggest BS Ive ever heard and you can put it all the way up your ass. Btw times change so the history thing isnt right, you cant compare those 2 things.

Also rape has been a crime for longer than 100years...Maybe the terrorist thing was wrong but I just think that you only look at the news and dont know anything else than you heard in the media/church.

[.Scream]

Adam and Eve...Not Adam and Steve... Please..

[Jur]

Adam and Eve...Not Adam and Steve... Please..[/b]

Since God didn't make a gay couple, does that make everything God didn't create bad?
Well, God didn't make computers, photoshop, gfx boards...

[myaim]

if two people love each other then they should be able to get married, where all humans.

[superiorgamer]

if two people love each other then they should be able to get married, where all humans.[/b]


If a father loved his son they should be able to get married? <_<

[Ledmight]

I am against it, because I am a Christian and Christian's do what is right. ;)

[XanXic]

I Don't care as long as i don't see it or like walk in on it :o

[Tucker]

I Don't care as long as i don't see it or like walk in on it :o[/b]

Same with me also.

[BreeJaguar]

Honestly.
If everybody was like that, nobody would know the difference.

Anyway, I really don't care one way or another.
People who are homosexual are still people.

And Christianity is so hypocritical, so anybody claiming that as a reason is slightly dull.

God created humans.
Homosexuals are human.

So, unless you want to claim to the world that gay people are alien beings, and be my guest, I like some entertainment in my life, that's not a reason.

[superiorgamer]

And Christianity is so hypocritical, so anybody claiming that as a reason is slightly dull.

God created humans.
Homosexuals are human.

So, unless you want to claim to the world that gay people are alien beings, and be my guest, I like some entertainment in my life, that's not a reason.[/b]
I'm failing to see the logic in that statement. <_< Either a result of being a "slightly dull" christain as you state or you need to elaborate further. Are you trying to say that God created humans, and since certain humans choose to be homosexaul, thefore God created homosexaulity which means its must be good?

If not, please correct me but I must beg to differ. According to christain belief, yes God created human. However, not all actions of human beings are of direct responsibility of God since man/woman have the ability to choose between right and wrong. God may have defined a "right and wrong", but he gave humans the choice to choose between them so how would that be hypocritical?

[BreeJaguar]

Well, I guess I didn't quite word that the way I should have.

First of all, it depends on whether or not you believe people "choose" to be homosexual. I for one do not believe it is a choice. They like someone just the same as we like someone. That person just happens to be of the same gender. Other people think it's a genetic thing, although until there's proof, I'm not too keen to accept that theory.

If indeed it is not a choice and they cannot help it, then it's not their fault. And if it's nobody's doing, then where did the ability to lust for/love the same sex come from? I mean, I guess you could use the argument of "well, if they can't help feeling that way, they can help acting upon those feelings" but that doesn't make those feelings go away. They're still there. In which case, there's still homosexuality, whether we see it or not.

And by saying anybody claiming religion as a reason is slightly dull, I meant this:

If you don't like it, that's one thing. But hiding behind something like religion is stupid. You don't like it because you're not used to it. You don't like it because you've never known anybody who has been. You don't like it because you don't know anything about it. But not "because the Bible says so." It's the same as the saying "Well, if your friend told you to go jump off a bridge, would you?" Just because the Bible says it, you must believe it? You make your own beliefs.

And for people who hide behind religion, it's unlikely that they follow every single thing the Bible says down to the sentence. If they don't, they can't fairly use the Bible as a reason to dislike homosexuality.

[Sean]

I am against it, because I am a Christian and Christian's do what is right. ;)[/b]

Balls lol, Christian follow the bible dont you ? Bible is lies i think, more stuff have just been added with the years passing.

[jimkimjat]

Since God didn't make a gay couple, does that make everything God didn't create bad?
Well, God didn't make computers, photoshop, gfx boards...[/b]
How is 'gay' being created anyway?

[superiorgamer]

And by saying anybody claiming religion as a reason is slightly dull, I meant this:

If you don't like it, that's one thing. But hiding behind something like religion is stupid. You don't like it because you're not used to it. You don't like it because you've never known anybody who has been. You don't like it because you don't know anything about it. But not "because the Bible says so." It's the same as the saying "Well, if your friend told you to go jump off a bridge, would you?" Just because the Bible says it, you must believe it? You make your own beliefs.

And for people who hide behind religion, it's unlikely that they follow every single thing the Bible says down to the sentence. If they don't, they can't fairly use the Bible as a reason to dislike homosexuality.[/b]

Well, in this chartroom saying bible is proof.... obviously wouldn't get very far so I wouldn't attempt to use it. I'm just posting this in response to your previous post.
Well, I guess I didn't quite word that the way I should have.

First of all, it depends on whether or not you believe people "choose" to be homosexual. I for one do not believe it is a choice. They like someone just the same as we like someone. That person just happens to be of the same gender. Other people think it's a genetic thing, although until there's proof, I'm not too keen to accept that theory.

If indeed it is not a choice and they cannot help it, then it's not their fault. And if it's nobody's doing, then where did the ability to lust for/love the same sex come from? I mean, I guess you could use the argument of "well, if they can't help feeling that way, they can help acting upon those feelings" but that doesn't make those feelings go away. They're still there. In which case, there's still homosexuality, whether we see it or not.[/b]
Regardless, you have to admit that some people "choose" to be gay. On the other hand, there is this debate of people who are born "naturally gay". The scientific evidence is fuzzy at best but neither of us have a PhD on the subject so I’ll attempt to explain it from a Christian viewpoint. As you already know, Christians believe that homosexuality is a wrong. Human beings, naturally, have tendencies or struggles with one wrong over another. Such as some people struggle with murder, others whit lying...e.c.t. (you get the point) Yes, some people be may be born with a tendency to be heterosexual but it is no different from people who struggle with murder, cheating, lying...e.c.t. Just because somebody is born tendency to do wrong in a certain area doesn't mean they can't choose otherwise. Again, remember, this isn't an argument trying to prove homosexuality is wrong from a secular viewpoint but rather, to explain the Christian viewpoint.

In addition, I feel I must clarify on one other topic. I've been called a terrorist and many other interesting things in this thread. However, just because I am opposed to gay marriage, does not mean I hate gays or that I treat them any differently then I would any other human. Christians believe in loving the person but hating the sin. (Or at least they should) I'm opposed to a gay lifestyle yes, but I am also very much opposed to the people who hate gays and threaten them..e.c.t.

[myaim]

If a father loved his son they should be able to get married? <_<[/b]
did the son love his father that way?

[fratey]

Well, in this chartroom saying bible is proof.... obviously wouldn't get very far so I wouldn't attempt to use it. I'm just posting this in response to your previous post.

Regardless, you have to admit that some people "choose" to be gay. On the other hand, there is this debate of people who are born "naturally gay". The scientific evidence is fuzzy at best but neither of us have a PhD on the subject so I’ll attempt to explain it from a Christian viewpoint. As you already know, Christians believe that homosexuality is a wrong. Human beings, naturally, have tendencies or struggles with one wrong over another. Such as some people struggle with murder, others whit lying...e.c.t. (you get the point) Yes, some people be may be born with a tendency to be heterosexual but it is no different from people who struggle with murder, cheating, lying...e.c.t. Just because somebody is born tendency to do wrong in a certain area doesn't mean they can't choose otherwise. Again, remember, this isn't an argument trying to prove homosexuality is wrong from a secular viewpoint but rather, to explain the Christian viewpoint.

In addition, I feel I must clarify on one other topic. I've been called a terrorist and many other interesting things in this thread. However, just because I am opposed to gay marriage, does not mean I hate gays or that I treat them any differently then I would any other human. Christians believe in loving the person but hating the sin. (Or at least they should) I'm opposed to a gay lifestyle yes, but I am also very much opposed to the people who hate gays and threaten them..e.c.t.[/b]
I can't see how the christian point could make any sense since it's one of the religions that supports stoning of the victim of rape

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

So, the girl gets stoned for getting raped, and the man because he violated the husbands PROPERTY.

Is it gods will that homosexuality is a sin?
Is god willing to help the world, but not able to?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is god able to help the world, but not willing to?
Then he's malevolent.
Is god able to help the world, AND willing to?
Then where is there evil?
Is god not able to help the world, nor willing to?
Then why call him a god?

[Mehhht]

I can't see how the christian point could make any sense since it's one of the religions that supports stoning of the victim of rape

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

So, the girl gets stoned for getting raped, and the man because he violated the husbands PROPERTY.

Is it gods will that homosexuality is a sin?
Is god willing to help the world, but not able to?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is god able to help the world, but not willing to?
Then he's malevolent.
Is god able to help the world, AND willing to?
Then where is there evil?
Is god not able to help the world, nor willing to?
Then why call him a god?[/b]

Well your logic is a common objection I've heard many times... and I see why many will feel that way, I understand completely, but I also understand why a "Creator" would chose to create the world this way....

Let me explain... in a Christian viewpoint.

We live in a fallen world. God created the world perfect, and he created a sinless man, Adam.
He also created a world with choices. You can choose to sin, or stay with God. God is also a just God, and sin has a punishment. Death. Anyone who sins deserves death. If you kill someone, you deserve to die. If you lie, you deserve to die. So why haven't we all died, since we have all sinned according to the Bible? It is because God is also loving. Once Adam sinned, man was cursed. Every human will sin. So every human must die. But why does God allow man to sin? I cannot answer this question perfectly, but I'll tell you what I know.
We have limited info. If you look at the story of Job, Job was a righteous man, and had to undergo terrible suffering. God had direct knowledge and the power to stop it. But Satan challenged God. God knew that Job could handle the situation. God is not thinking now; he is thinking eternity. In the end, Job, who was a very good person, much better than today's "good" people, had all his family and all his possessions destroyed. Is that fair? Well considering the fact that Job indeed was a sinner, and deserved to die and remain in hell forever, this pitiful life doesn't seem so bad. We are asking the wrong question, we should be wondering why, in light of the corrupt world, is there so much good? Remember that nobody gets what they deserve (well not yet at least), and that is a good thing.

And in response to your first statement, it never said raped, it is talking about adultery. It says to kill her "because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city" which means she was not objecting to having relations with another man. If a wife cheats on her husband, which is a sin, they deserve death. Things were a lot harder in Old Testament times, if you were caught cheating, you were killed.
Luckily God is loving and sent his perfect Son, Jesus, to accept the punishment of sin. Now even if we mess up we can still remain with God forever. This is the modern Christian viewpoint.
I hope the credibility of Christianity isn't lost to so weak an argument (sorry if I sound harsh, but I am an objective person).


Now to get on the topic of homosexuality, I will agree with SG, and the problem that Christians have with homosexuals is the fact that they do not try to stop their behavior. The Bible says it's a sin, just like murder. I'm not going to discuss the validity of the Bible, you can choose to believe it if you want to (I think I have enough for one post).
The world is trying to tell homosexuals that it is okay to live that way, which is another problem. And no I'm not being mean, telling them to change their ways. If you want to argue that they are born homosexual, I will treat them the same as I would treat a homicidal maniac. Homicidal maniacs are sometimes born with that problem, so does that make it right to tell them that it's okay to kill? I'm not saying that we should lock up homosexuals in an asylum or anything, I just want to tell them that they're ways are wrong.

But I'm not going to say you HAVE to do anything. I'm just telling you what the Bible says, and what I believe is the truth. Overall it is your decision to change your ways and accept Jesus as your savior, or to reject God, to live like you want to, and have no right to complain if you are sent to hell by the God you rejected. If you didn't want to anything to do with God on your 75 or so years on Earth, why would you want to live with him forever, anyway?

[myaim]

:o you lost me on "logic"

[status.]

Although the earth was created for a coupled reproduction, I feel that it is a persons personal choice what they would like to do with their life. They can't let somebody else control them. You are who you are, and people shouldn't try to change people.

[fratey]

But I'm not going to say you HAVE to do anything. I'm just telling you what the Bible says, and what I believe is the truth. Overall it is your decision to change your ways and accept Jesus as your savior, or to reject God, to live like you want to, and have no right to complain if you are sent to hell by the God you rejected. If you didn't want to anything to do with God on your 75 or so years on Earth, why would you want to live with him forever, anyway?[/b]
You seriously mean that some book written by people living in tents is "solid proof that I should accept"?
If your god is so forgiving and loving, why doesn't he show himself? Make miracles? Destroy the evil he created (He created all. Therefore, he created evil).

According to your Bible I am to believe that human kind is sinful for Adam and Eve ate the fruit of knowledge. Why are we being punished for the original sin? After all, they ate the forbidden fruit, we didn’t. Reason would lead one to say it’s their problem, not ours. Even the bible contradicts itself by claiming in Deuteronomy 24:16, “children shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers.�

There isn’t one writing outside the Bible in all of ancient history that clearly refers to Jesus of Nazareth. The decision to dedicate my life to a deity requires at least one shred of conclusive evidence.

[Marda]

God wants you to love everyone, and love those sinners even more, and yes homosexuals.

God loves everyone, he loves the rapists, pedophiles, homosexuals, killers, stealer's. Only reason why I mention rapists with homosexuals, because a sin is a sin, no sin is "greater" than another sin.

No I do not believe in god, I'm just saying what the Christian bible says, just not in exact quotes.

those "Christians" who go around saying "god hates gays" aren't part of a church they are part of a cult.

I'd like anyone show me one sentence in the bible that involves the words "god hates ___"

or are people able to know what god is thinking?


as a simple guy, I don't like homosexuality, if they want to have a relationship, fine. but marriage is between a man and a woman.

[Déa7h]

Slayer said : God hates us all

[Mehhht]

You seriously mean that some book written by people living in tents is "solid proof that I should accept"?
If your god is so forgiving and loving, why doesn't he show himself? Make miracles? Destroy the evil he created (He created all. Therefore, he created evil).

According to your Bible I am to believe that human kind is sinful for Adam and Eve ate the fruit of knowledge. Why are we being punished for the original sin? After all, they ate the forbidden fruit, we didn’t. Reason would lead one to say it’s their problem, not ours. Even the bible contradicts itself by claiming in Deuteronomy 24:16, “children shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers.�

There isn’t one writing outside the Bible in all of ancient history that clearly refers to Jesus of Nazareth. The decision to dedicate my life to a deity requires at least one shred of conclusive evidence.[/b]


Okay. First off, I am not trying to debate anything to find proof. Christianity isn't a fact proven by the scientific method. And I believe God wants it that way.

But I will show you where you're wrong.

You asked why God doesn't show Himself and make miracles. I say he has. I assume you've heard of Jesus. But I'm guessing you don't believe He is real.

First off, Jesus is taught in History class (at least it is at my school, which is not Christian affiliated). His existence is rarely doubted by knowledgeable historians. But that doesn't prove anything.
Second, to believe that he does not exist, you would have to believe that rapid spread of Christianity, the thousands of discovered manuscripts (more than any other ancient text) all were caused by nothing. You would have to believe that the thousands of people who joined the church in a very, very short amount of time joined because they were told about some "Jesus" who performed miracles that they never saw. Just because they lived a couple thousand years ago doesn't make them idiots.

And perhaps you didn't understand my argument about sin. Yes Adam did curse humanity, but we do not have to pay for his sin. Eternally, at least. The Bible never says you will go to hell because of Adams sin. If YOU sin you deserve to go to hell. So basically, everyone deserves to go to hell. And sinning isn't just physical action. If you think lustfully about any women that you are not married to, that counts as adultery. If you hate anyone, that counts as murder. Don't try to convince me that you are perfect. The only perfect person there ever was was Jesus. Jesus had to endure the punishment of all mankind. And he was perfect. God could have destroyed the evil then. But He did not for the sake of man's eternity.

And you argue that God "created" evil. According to the Bible, evil is the exact opposite of God. Like darkness is the opposite of light. God defined what is good, and therefore everything else was evil. Evil is not caused by God.

And your last statement is... ummm... completely wrong. Unless your definition of clear is different than the rest of the world.

Josephus wrote on Jesus. Although his manuscript, like every other manuscript, cannot be proven to be maintained word for word, most scholars believe the passage to be this:

"Around this time lived Jesus, a wise man. For he was a worker of amazing deeds and was a teacher of people who gladly accept the truth. He won over both many Jews and many Greeks. Pilate, when he heard him accused by the leading men among us, condemned him to the cross, [but] those who have first loved him did not cease [doing so]. To this day the tribe of Christians named after him has not disappeared."

Is that not clear?

And once again, I'll say I cannot give you proof of anything, believing in Christ is based on faith. If you are willing to bet your soul on something else, so be it. I advise otherwise, but in the end it's your choice.

[fratey]

Then I wonder, why does it say god created all?


I have another question too just in general, I probably asked someone this before, but I forgot the answer.
It clearly says about Cain and Abel, right?

1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man." 2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.

Here;

17 Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech.

Where did the wife come from?

Sorry that this doesn't go on the subject, I just always wondered that since it says nowhere god created her.

[Mehhht]

Well God didn't cause or create the evil in this world, he defined what is evil and what is good. He created all material. He also created the laws that govern the universe, not necessarily the products that result from them. Evil is created through choices, from choosing to do evil. When it says God created all it means all material, and all life. God didn't create my choices, I did.

And for the second question, the Bible doesn't record every action by God, and Adam and Eve had more than two children. So yes, they had to intermarry with siblings, but that was okay then. Like it never directly says Paul was created by God at this certain moment, but he definitely existed.

[fratey]

And for the second question, the Bible doesn't record every action by God, and Adam and Eve had more than two children. So yes, they had to intermarry with siblings, but that was okay then. Like it never directly says Paul was created by God at this certain moment, but he definitely existed.[/b]
Thank you.

[Sven]

I don't have a problem with it. If you get hit on by a homosexual of the same gender as you take it as a compliment!

[fratey]

I don't have a problem with it. If you get hit on by a homosexual of the same gender as you take it as a compliment![/b]
If everyone thought like this and knew the difference between homosexual and flamboyant :thumbsup:

[Static]

wrong or right?
i don't really have anything against gay's. but what I DON'T like see, is them :kiss1: thats just SO :yucky:

[Danta]

i personally dont approve... but i dont like hate them or anything

[fratey]

wrong or right?
i don't really have anything against gay's. but what I DON'T like see, is them :kiss1: thats just SO :yucky:[/b]
I'm sure you don't want a straight couple kissing straight up in your face either! :laugh2:

[.doubleK]

i dont really care about homosexual people, as long as they don't tryna pick up on me :P

[tequila]

I don't give a s. about homos. But dudes make it at home, don't go out just stay at home.

[o_O]

You don't choose to be a homosexual, then why should you be hated because of it?

Anyway, according to the bible, homosexuality is BAD. But when Lot and his daughters fled from Sodoma and Gomorra, his daughters had sex with him. Apparently, this was OK for God. So homosexuality is a big NO, but incest is OK?

Makes no sence...

[fratey]

i dont really care about homosexual people, as long as they don't tryna pick up on me :P[/b]
I'm annoyed shitless at this "point of view", I used to rationalize this way when I was 13. Are you 13?

[Peryton]

Link,do you like homosexuals ?

[fratey]

Link,do you like homosexuals ?[/b]
Define "like". If you mean homosexuals in general, why is there anything to be against? They are at + and - 0 to me, just like everyone else. Homosexuality or not, it does not affect the persons relationship with me.

Basically, if I meet a complete stranger on the city (who I know has one of these attributes), here's my relationship with them:
Heterosexual - No change
Homosexual - No change
Racist - Suspicious feelings, obviously, but careful not to be prejudical (perhaps this racist has some great arguments of why he is a racist!)

...Catch my drift?

[myaim]

overall i just dont really care.

[Zach]

Oh geez, it seems I have a lot of work to do here.

*takes a step out of the idotic media view*

yaya, sex for anything and aids for everybody!! Catchey logo eh? LETS ALL BE GAY AND DESTROY THE HUMAN RACE? Heck, I mean, why not? There is obviously no economic disadvantages from having an increasing gay socitey with increased desease, lower life, and more cross sex rapes. *takes a pen out and removes the cap* Now... this pen cap only go on in 1 direction. Trying something diffrent than it was intented can have rather negative side effects :P (no duh)
I mean, the more gays the better right? :P Besides if there weren't as many lesibians there might be less sex movies for the demented idiots that watch. Oh well, just cause some people want to do something demented, well its there right! WE MUST FIGHT AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO ANY DEMENTED THING THEY WANT!!! Right? If we didn't have a right to be demented, I mean, that just wouldn't be fair. Heres a question, why in the world arn't we allowed to have sex with animals? What if i'm born with an attraction for diffrence species? :P

Now, rather than be offended by this, refute it. :P (if you can)
Now, hopefully you took the time to read that abit. One point I must stress is to hate the deed but love the person. Just because you may strongly oppose it or be for it doesn't mean you should act wrongly against the person. Just clarafication for other idots who oppose gay abortion so much they murder them...e.c.t. :dry2: Or for the people that are for it and idotically call anyone against it racis..e.c.t. Stop the extremism already.

Why is something against the law?
Well, since people have decided to overlook morality heres a more simple and easy cratiera.
Something that hurts your self.
Something that hurts people directly related to you.
Something that hurts people that are not involved.

The gay life style does all of these by increasing sexal transmited disease by the 100,000s. Increases rapes in general and with the same sex. Also hurts the economy of civilized nations because of the decreasing amount of humans due to gay and abortions. It also destroys and degrades the "Family" even further which also hurts the economy. Not to mention the problems with kids that are currently being raised by only 1 gender of a parent. Genitically, phyically, and emotionally kids also need a father.
For these reasons and more, gay marraige shouldn't be allowed. Should have rights but not the "rights" to do what ever demented thing they can think up of.[/b]
Gays do not transmit any more STD's than straight couples; in fact, they transmit fewer STD's due to the lack of a place (vagina, if you will) to transmit the disease to. True, they can still transmit STD's orally. However, you can not get HIV through anal sex unless there is some serious tearing going on in there. That being said, most gay males don't even enjoy anal sex! Studies have shown that the majority of homosexual males prefer -- and participate regularly in -- oral sex much more than anal sex. Another point: not only gay males are capable of having anal sex. Women are capable of receiving orally, anally, and through penetration giving them a 3:2 ratio of possible bodily locations for transmission over men.

Most males who sexually molest young boys are -- you guessed it -- not gay! In fact, most of them are completely straight! Having an attraction to young boys does not determine your sexual orientation, only your level of sanity and reasoning. How on earth does it destroy the economy? Your logic is that by cutting the population by a fraction so small it is completely insignificant -- even though with modern day laws you are allowed to give up children for adoption and gays are allowed to adopt in certain states -- you are somehow killing the entire population of the US. Would you like some statistics? In a survey done in 1994, 1.51% of the total US population regarded themselves at gay, lesbian, or bisexual. That means the birth rate could have gone down by, at most, less than 1%. However, as I stated before couples are having more children these days and gays are also allowed to adopt. Now also considering also that the death rate decreases every year, do you really think our population will plummet due to homosexuality? If anything, we will prosper from it because the potential homeless rate will decrease due to the level of responsibility and financial stability that is necessary to adopt in the first place.

I know people with two mothers or two fathers and they have turned out just fine. I go to a performing arts high school, so the majority of homosexuals in the county probably go to my school. My best friend is a lesbian and I also have many other bi, gay, and lesbian friends who have a mother and a father.

It can be done behind closed doors as anything can but it doesn't mean it has negitiave effects on other people including there selves.

Now as for tollerence. Should I tollerate a persons who is a terriosts and only purpose in life is to blow me up? Ummm no :P There are things that simply can't be tollerated. Gays don't only transimit sexaul related deseases within there own groups but also Increases rapes in general and with the same sex. Also hurts the economy of civilized nations because of the decreasing amount of humans due to gay and abortions. It also destroys and degrades the "Family" even further which also hurts the economy. Not to mention the problems with kids that are currently being raised by only 1 gender of a parent. Genitically, phyically, and emotionally kids also need a father.
For these reasons and more, gay marraige shouldn't be allowed. People should have rights but not the "rights" to do what ever demented thing they can think up of.

Its not as simply as respecting some one elses choice that doesn't effect anyone else. Or else there wouldn't be an issue.[/b]
Is it just me, or did you relate homosexuality to terrorism? Homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone. It infuriates people, but those are just the ignorant masses of the old generation (or their offspring, in which case they are the ignorant masses of the new generation carrying out old traditions).

Also, intolerance towards intolerance is not consider intolerance; it's actually called the exact opposite, tolerance. If we had tolerance for intolerant people then we ourselves would in fact be supporting intolerance, causing us to therefore be intolerant. Understand?

Again, homosexuality does not hurt our economy. If a child comes from a well-off family, is encouraged to get good grades, and develops as a functioning member of society, he/she will succeed. Sexual preference or gender of each of their parents is not a variable. America is/was founded on these principles, that is why it is called the "land of opportunity". The idea is that anyone who works hard enough at the right goal has the potential to succeed in life which, disregarding the nearly nonexistently small percentile of those with excruciatingly bad housing situations or permanently scarring troubles prohibiting them from going to school or doing any work whatsoever, is true.

It is intresting that the people who are devoted to tollerance of any forum of sex without restriction are anything but tollerant of any opisition. Infact, oppisition in this case is ossiciated with terrorists, the mass murders of thousands. Now I am asking you, who is being the resonable? :P If you categorize anyone who disagress with you in the same category as a terriorst, you are one intollerent person indeed. I'm quite intrested as to how you can say how opposing something thats been opposed by majority of civilization 8000 years is all the sudden the equivelent of terrorism.

*Note, I believe we are arguing gay relasionships and not abortion. Considering a large part of your post is on abortion, i'm rather puzzled as to why it is in this thread. However, i'd be happy to debate that in a new thread. Never the less, as for my evidence, one rather large reason against homesexaulallity is the fact that it would increase sexaully transimisted diseases. Would you care to adress that please? In addition, gays would open up a whole new sort of crime as in same gender rapes which I'm not really looking forward to.. are you? Thirdly, it hurts the economy by a decrease in population. The economy depends on an ever increasing population in order to support the older generation. This is not speculation but simple fact of modern socitey. Another one of my points was that it hurts the most important unit of any working class socity which is the family. As I have stated before, (forgive repeativeness) the family is a necessary unit for any enconomy and with the continue breakdown of it through gay marraige and other modern social issues have also hurt the economy.

As for the mental issues regarding children raised by gay families, the same issues can be obsevered under divorced or single mother parrents. (aka its not just some random speculation). The fact is that children natarully need both a mother and father. They desire the strength, stability, and example of a father in addition to a mother who is both a teacher and example. To take either away presents a rather large whole in a childs devolpment which can provide serious challenges in growing up. Now, when I say that i'm not discrediting any people under single parrents because a majority of my friends were raised under single parrents and are amazing in everyway all the same. However, that does not change the fact that they desired for both a mother and a father which should be the right of any child. I believe this same issue can apply to gay parrents and they simply can't fill in the wholes of a normal family.[/b]
I've pretty much answered most of these hypocritical and contradicting points in my previous paragraphs. However, you say that homosexuality has been opposed by the majority of the population for some 8000 years. Where are you getting these facts. The bible has a passage saying marriage should be between a man and a woman, but homosexuality has existed for a long time; it's not exactly a new concept. Medieval and Renaissance times were known for much activity in the field of homosexuality; it was a very popular and common concept.



Now, having an opinion is fine. However, if you want to debate it then I suggest go doing your research beforehand to save me the trouble of leaving such long paragraphs for utterly ignorant and worthless posts. Thanks.

[Sean]

How long did that take you too write ? lol

[Zach]

I actually looked up a few statistics to go with it, so maybe 15 or 20 minutes? It took me forever to decipher his posts.

[']

nice pwnage post zach

[Zach]

I thought so. I wish Beaver were active here, he and I used to own in this type of forum.

[laxatk]

I don't believe it is a sin or any of that garbage if you are a homosexual. But that goes into a whole different argument because I believe that being gay is not a choice. I don't see how one day anyone can say...hmmm...i think i want to be gay! And that's that. However, I don't believe you are born gay, but I read that over 80% of homosexuals knew they were gay before highschool. Anyway, the point is, I don't think it's wrong to be gay, but I still cringe at the site of guys holding hand or anything like that.

[Zach]

Do you believe that the majority of us are born straight?

[laxatk]

Good point i didn't even think of that. Well...no I don't. I believe the majority of us are either raised believing that being gay is morally wrong so even if they had homosexual feelings they wouldn't let them surface, or they are just simply straight because that is what they feel.

[Zach]

I see. That also brings me to another good point: most people that are homosexual tend to come from open-minded families. However, as always there are exceptions to this statement. My good friend is gay, pretty flamboyant, and his dad is a minister that has basically shunned him.

I personally believe that your sexuality is either embedded into your genes or altered at a young age due to some trauma that would turn you away from females (or vice versa, towards males). Studies have shown that young males who were molested by men at a young age have actually ended up being gay; childhood trauma often makes you attracted to what you fear the most.

[fratey]

I don't see how one day anyone can say...hmmm...i think i want to be gay![/b]
But come on, that's just redundant thinking. It's something that develops in most cases with people (or vice versa).

[Evilsoul]

well i don't reallyknow if people born or become gays, i do agree it has to do with your environment and how you are raised (see most if the boys who lives with a lot of females and no male figure like no father, brother are either gays or they act a little weird, not all of course but most of them)

But talking about a relationship, i'm ok with it, i have to admit it's kinda weird to see a guy kissing another guy and disgusting at a certain point (for me) but i am not against them, i think with time people will learn to accept them.

[fratey]

But talking about a relationship, i'm ok with it, i have to admit it's kinda weird to see a guy kissing another guy and disgusting at a certain point (for me) but i am not against them, i think with time people will learn to accept them.[/b]
Ladies and gentlemen, finally, meet someone that is honest, and doesn't act like a homophobe. Notice how "I'm not used to it" sounds much better than "as long as they don't do it in front of me". Thumbs up.

However, the bolded parts were quite... borderline, y'know what I mean?

[Evilsoul]

lol yeah, but well, it was weird to see that when i was younger, i mean, i'm not totally used to it, but it becomes idk more "natural" with time, since you learn to accept other's ideas and sexual preferences ;)

[LoupGarou]

Interesting convo going on here.
Well I support homosexual relationships because I'm gay.
I don't think it's a choice, I mean why would I choose a life of ridicule when I could just date a girl and live a normal life? Answer: The idea does not seem at all appealing to me. Just like how straight people could never think of being with a guy. I don't know why....it's just how I think.

And to you guys that say "I don't want them hitting on me", most gay make absolutely sure the person they're hitting on is gay before they say a thing. Mainly to respect the person, and also so they don't get beat up lol.

Coming out to my friends was interesting....cause I've never been asked so many questions in my life. None of them had problems with it thought.

Personally I think they're are extremists on both sides. Many gay people really don't have to go out and do the things they do to get attention. Then there are the people like Westboro Baptist Church (if you haven't heard of them look them up...its an eye-opener) who take things way to far.

I'm too lazy to type anymore now :)

[hynfaeries0]

Interesting convo going on here.
Well I support homosexual relationships because I'm gay.
I don't think it's a choice, I mean why would I choose a life of ridicule when I could just date a girl and live a normal life? Answer: The idea does not seem at all appealing to me. Just like how straight people could never think of being with a guy. I don't know why....it's just how I think.

And to you guys that say "I don't want them hitting on me", most gay make absolutely sure the person they're hitting on is gay before they say a thing. Mainly to respect the person, and also so they don't get beat up lol.

Coming out to my friends was interesting....cause I've never been asked so many questions in my life. None of them had problems with it thought.

Personally I think they're are extremists on both sides. Many gay people really don't have to go out and do the things they do to get attention. Then there are the people like Westboro Baptist Church (if you haven't heard of them look them up...its an eye-opener) who take things way to far.

I'm too lazy to type anymore now :)[/b]

yay for what you said.

To tell the truth I am shocked an appalled that people would compare being gay to incest, rape, and disease.

[Zach]

To tell the truth I am shocked an appalled that people would compare being gay to incest, rape, and disease.[/b]
You mean like 'superiorgamer' on the previous page? People like that are just sickening.

[LoupGarou]

yay for what you said.

To tell the truth I am shocked an appalled that people would compare being gay to incest, rape, and disease.[/b]
I know!
I mean I act completely straight...I just dress nice and care about my looks.
So if it's a disease, then I'm glad to have it at times :P

[+mw.Kiddie]

I have absolutely no problem with it. Life's too short to make petty rules on what marriage should be. If homosexual individuals find love and want to get married, go for it!

I'll admit though, it might be hard being a child raised by gay parents, but I've heard stories and many of them are positive =)

[Warlord]

I don't have anything against gays, but that's ONLY act normal and don't talk or do shit like a girl.

[fratey]

I don't have anything against gays, but that's ONLY act normal and don't talk or do shit like a girl.[/b]
So heterosexual males that talk or do shit like girls are fine?
Homosexual or bisexual women that talk or do shit like girls, aren't fine?
Tool.

[Asuma]

Meh. As long as they aren't liking me I'm okay with it.

I just think that women and men we're created for a reason.

If being "gay" was the thing to choose, it would be a world with all men.

visa versa with women.

But it's a world with men and women so I find i'm on the borderline with this.

[Zach]

Have you ever had a homosexual person come up to you and tell you that they wanted a relationship of some sort with you? I hate when people say, "well, as long as they're not trying to fuck me it's fine" when that never happens.

[Asuma]

Well.. thats the opinion.

Just gotta be easy when you comment on hating it. XD

[Zach]

Your opinion is false.

Tbh.

[Asuma]

A lot of things are false.

That's life.

When it gives you lemons, make lemonade is how I see it.

[Zach]

You're throwing away lemons, pissing in the glass, and drinking it like lemonade. Make an educated opinion, kthx.

[Asuma]

?

Lol. Nothing to say to that one. I didn't know it mean't a lot to you to try to make a point.

But you are going too far.

[Zach]

Just saying. This is more of a debate, so if you're going to post here you should probably have some fact to back it up.

[Asuma]

It's okay. I never liked debating anyways. I just say what I think, just to get it out there. Nothing more.

[Zach]

Your thought was wrong. :giggle:

[Asuma]

Easy.

Lol.

[.stylez]

I know!
I mean I act completely straight...I just dress nice and care about my looks.
So if it's a disease, then I'm glad to have it at times :P[/b]

I really have respect for you for being so open,
cause i dont know, but it must be hard to see some people respond, well i really dont know maby its not,
but,
and I really dont mind if people are Homosexual or Bisexual,
i have a couple of friends who are Homosexual,
I was really honored when one of my best friends told me he was Homosexual cause i was the first one he told it to,
i didn't mind at all, cause he still acts the same as he was when he became my friend so,
and dressing nice and careing about my looks isn't really a Homosexual thing imo,
i mean.. i do it to, but im not Homosexual..
Still, people are people and they are what they are so, why would you change them if they're just being themselfs?

greetz :) ( i think this is the largest post i ever wrote )

[+mw.Kiddie]

I really have respect for you for being so open,
cause i dont know, but it must be hard to see some people respond, well i really dont know maby its not,
but,
and I really dont mind if people are Homosexual or Bisexual,
i have a couple of friends who are Homosexual,
I was really honored when one of my best friends told me he was Homosexual cause i was the first one he told it to,
i didn't mind at all, cause he still acts the same as he was when he became my friend so,
and dressing nice and careing about my looks isn't really a Homosexual thing imo,
i mean.. i do it to, but im not Homosexual..
Still, people are people and they are what they are so, why would you change them if they're just being themselfs?

greetz :) ( i think this is the largest post i ever wrote )[/b]

Great post =) I'm glad you support your friend ^^

TBH I'd be really honored if someone came out to me, it really does make you feel like you're trusted.

And I've been hit on by the same gender, it was awkward but it doesn't make me feel any less supportive of gays/bis

[.stylez]

Yeah same as when he came out to me..
I was like just a lil bit shocked, cause i already knew a lil bit, cause of he was kind of a softy..
Never really had the guts to ask him,
but when he told me i really saw how hard it was for him so i didn't asked to many questions :)
he did came out to the public aswell now,
never had some1 told me he liked me of the same gender though,
i think that would be really awkward :P

[myaim]

nice post stylez

I am not personally gay, i have a girlfriend, but

some of my closest friends are gay, i dont mind at all, i find them to be more engaging in a conversation then most of my straight friends, and are generally happyier, and im comfortable around them more then any of my friends except my gf. it might just be that my straight friends are just plain weird and dont like to talk, which i can believe lol

i too have been hit on by the same gender but it doesn't change how i feel about gays/bis either

so on topic. i think that its absolutely 100% right, if two people truly love each other and they happen to be of the same sex, does it really matter? its love, the most powerful emotion in my opinion.

you can say what you want and many people say i have gay characteristics but i think they define me as a person :)

[+mw.Kiddie]

i think that its absolutely 100% right, if two people truly love each other and they happen to be of the same sex, does it really matter? its love, the most powerful emotion in my opinion.[/b]

Best quote I've heard all day =) that's so true. For anyone to take that away (i.e. proposition 8 in california) from people who love individuals from their same gender is just harsh.

[Zach]

Or amendment 2 in Florida.

[shadevowns]

Best quote I've heard all day =) that's so true. For anyone to take that away (i.e. proposition 8 in california) from people who love individuals from their same gender is just harsh.[/b]

I totally agree.

If you love someone and they are the opposite sex... what's the big deal? It's love right?

[Zach]

You mean the same sex? :P

But yes, I completely agree.

[M12]

THere is no reason to be negative about gay relationships. If 2 people truly love eachother another to persue in a sexual relationship, even if of the same sex, they deserve to be treated the same as everybody; with respect. I don't see how people can go against them, so what if the love the same gender, it is love after all, and loving somebody and being loved back can be a big issue to MOST people and can mean more than most things to them. Also, they have feeling just like everyone[yes they are people too!], so treat them with dignity and the respect they seserve, especially if they told you they are gay as that must take lots of courage.

[zain]

I say let them live the way they want (say no to prop 8) because its a form of free speech.

[+mw.Kiddie]

I say let them live the way they want (say no to prop 8) because its a form of free speech.[/b]

Yeah... I canNOT believe prop 8 passed.

Gosh... pretty sure it'll be revoked soon, if not in the future. Just like how the laws against interracial marriages, mexican marriages, etc. were revoked :X

And all the people going "then what? next people will be marrying their pets" really insults the gay community. What are people doing now to defend their stand, degrading people into animals?

[fratey]

Prop 8 is awesome, just and does not discriminate - It means intersexed people can't marry (you know, people who are born physically with two sexes).


Oh, and of course there's freedom for everybody in America, just as long as they're not, you know, gay. Freedom, my foot.

[MerDeNoms]

Oh, and of course there's freedom for everybody in America, just as long as they're not, you know, gay. Freedom, my foot.[/b]
Well said, but yeah nothing wrong with gay people getting married, adopting kids, etc.

[Equis]

Yea yet they have like prostitutes taking care of their children,and kids getting beaten by their parents, yet for someone who actually wants a child they can't have one because of their sexual orientation , WTF does sexual orientation have to do with adopting a kid unless your planning on raping them :o , like wtf people are so ignorant sometimes .

[asymmetric]

I personally, am gay. i didnt quite know i was until i was about 15 or 16 and i am now 19. i have not come out to the public well most of the public its a scary thought i must say. but i myself am no different than any other person. i treat people the same (if not better) as everyone else. i take showers like everyone else, i eat, sleep, and dream like everyone else. just because i may prefer men over women does not mean im going to rape your child, or ruin society with my different orientation. if anything you would probably want me watching your child haha.. but anyways most of us really dont care what people think about us. if we did we wouldnt act the way we are ya know? i believe that people against homosexuality are naive and really need to open their eyes. this world requires peace and love for it to work in harmony dont they see that?

[Sephi]

heh wow, theres still one of these chats going on? in the past 2 years i've been here.. theres been HEAPS of homosexual ones.. if your a homosexual, congrats.. it's who you are and/or want to be.. does it really matter what other people think.. and plus most of the homosexuals are rich as fuck because they do fasion.

[Tyrael]

i think there's nothing wrong with it. cause its the two man/woman's thinking. if thats how they feel then there you are. there is no one on the earth to tell us how to feel about other people. so im with it i guess

[Sephi]

but whether they care if your with it or not.. shouldn't matter.. they should learn to not care about what other people think of them..

[Tyrael]

agreed. it gets on my nerve when people make fun of Homosexuals, its there decision and if thats how they connect with their Religion thats fine.

[Whoblehwah]

I see nothing wrong with same sex relationships. People should be able to be with whoever they want to be with. I don't get why people are so against it. It doesn't affect their lives, so I don't see what the problem is.

[JenLOI]

homos is not wrong, as long as they both love each other. Discrimination towards homos really shameful

[Thrasher]

homos is not wrong, as long as they both love each other. Discrimination towards homos really shameful

That's quite easy to say, but what if your dad or your son turns out to be gay. How would you react on that?

[.C GFX]

Frank, Im gay. My mom accepted me easliy i told her and she did say and understood me

[Thrasher]

I know Patrick i would do the same, eventhough i would prefer to have a hetero son but that's for me something like that i also would prefer to see him skateboard then do basketbal :)

I was just pointing this out since a lot of people are cool with gay people as long they don't come close.

[.C GFX]

I used to skateboard, wakeboard....

[Thrasher]

That's not the point Patrick ;) it's just a simple example of what you prefer. I would accept my son for 200% if he would be gay but i prefer him to be hetero. If your ever adopting a son with a gay husband you have, wouldn't you also like him to become gay?? Offcourse you want him to be happy but preferences always remain :)

[Cross]

I've nothing against gay people.. but what I do hate is those gay people that are like 'Look at me, I'm gay!!' These people are the ones causing all the problems.. they want everybody to be the same.. no discrimination and stuff.. but meanwhile they are the ones talking about us and them.. and acting different and making themselves outsiders..

So.. nothing wrong with gay people.. but just remember the world isn't interesting in you being gay >.<