Marijuana

[Joker]

I just want to get people's opinions on weed in general:

1. Do you think it should be legal?
2. Do you think the war on drugs is a waste of time and money?


I am a pot head, and here are my stand points:



The US Government is currently spending $100 BILLION in tax dollars to stop the growing, selling, buying, distributing, etc. of marijuana
It is a PROVEN fact that weed is not addictive
Weed is PROVEN to increase brain cell reproduction
It is IMPOSSIBLE to over dose on marijuana (YOU WOULD HAVE TO SMOKE 2X YOUR WEIGHT IN WEED TO OD)
Weed is not linked to cancer
There are well over 10 MILLION marijuana users currently
On average, the daily spending of a "pot head" is $20
$20x10,000,000 Users=$200,000,000 DAILY
$200,000,000 Dailyx365 Days a Year=$7,300,000,000 YEARLY (THAT IS NOT INCLUDING THE $438,000,000 IN TAXES)
Multiply the current number of users by 10 for future users ($73,000,000,000)
Add the taxes ($0.06/$1) (AROUND $80,000,000,000)
Add the money earned to the money saved from fighting weed (~$200 BILLION)
Add all of the jobs that would be created

[ME24saken]

Our friend at Foxy news is currently attacking Amsterdam, because in there eyes orginised crime is controlling the city. Pretty funny, you should search on youtube to "the truth about Amsterdam".

[Thrasher]

Okay the link for everybody who wants to see it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTPsFIsxM3w

About the questions

1. Do you think it should be legal?
I definitely think it should be legal i am Dutch and i smoke every now and then some weed. My parents know this and i am only doing it in vacation. True it is a drug where you can get addicted to, but so are sigarettes and alcohol. Just use it wisely and sporadic and everything is fine. It isn't giving any problems so therefor it should be legal.


2. Do you think the war on drugs is a waste of time and money?
On Marijuana yes on harder drugs no those are really harmfull and shouldn't be legal but a war on it,... tbh i don't know enough of the actual war on it to give a good opinion about that case.

[Zach]

- It is a PROVEN fact that weed is not addictive

That's kind of iffy seeing as anything is potentially addictive. People can become addicted to fast food, coffee, soda, candy, etc.


- Weed is PROVEN to increase brain cell reproduction

Really? Because last I heard there are results in these studies for each side. Do you have any evidence?




I'm fine with legalizing marijuana in the United States, but do not say it does not harm you in any way.

"Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50–70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs’ exposure to carcinogenic smoke.

...marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers.10 Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses."

http://www.drugabuse.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html


kthx.

[Joker]

I'm fine with legalizing marijuana in the United States, but do not say it does not harm you in any way.

"Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50–70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs’ exposure to carcinogenic smoke.

...marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers.10 Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses."

http://www.drugabuse.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html


kthx.

Substantial research exists regarding marijuana and addiction. While the scientific community has yet to achieve full consensus on this matter, the majority of epidemiological and animal data demonstrate that the reinforcing properties of marijuana in humans is low in comparison to other drugs of abuse, including alcohol and nicotine. According to the U.S. Institute of Medicine (IOM), fewer than one in 10 marijuana smokers become regular users of the drug, and most voluntary cease their use after 34 years of age. By comparison, 15 percent of alcohol consumers and 32 percent of tobacco smokers exhibit symptoms of drug dependence. According to the IOM, observable cannabis withdrawal symptoms are rare and have only been identified under unique patient settings. These remain limited to adolescents in treatment facilities for substance abuse problems, and in a research setting where subjects were given marijuana or THC daily. Compared with the profound physical syndrome of alcohol or heroin withdrawal, marijuana-related withdrawal symptoms are mild and subtle. Symptoms may include restlessness, irritability, mild agitation and sleep disruption. However, for the overwhelming majority of marijuana smokers, these symptoms are not severe enough to re-initiate their use of cannabis."
In 1972, President Richard Nixon commissioned the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse to produce an in-depth report on marijuana. The report, entitled "Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding," reviewed existing marijuana studies and concluded that marijuana does not cause physicial addiction.[2]



http://wiki.idebate.org/index.php/Argument:_Marijuana_is_not_addictive


And I'm not saying it does nothing to your brain, I'm just saying it's not common for it

[Zach]

Marijuana does have noticeable effects if used for long periods of time. The slowed reflexes and problem solving capabilities that are experienced in the high can manifest itself in your everyday life over time if used on a constant basis. Respiratory problems are also common for long-time marijuana users.

[krillis]

weed is weed, who cares.

[Thrasher]

people who use it? or are planning on using it? :)

[krillis]

im very stoned at the moment.

good stuff.

[Thrasher]

im very stoned at the moment.

good stuff.

okay,..... and what are your thoughts now on it? Do you feel the brain decreasement? :)

[Joker]

If anything, I feel "smarter" on weed. I just feel more open to thoughts, and I can get into deep conversations about life and such. I love being stoned xD

[Zach]

I do that normall lol. I feel amazingly witty drunk, but I know I'm not.

[Thrasher]

Drugs and Alcohol are for wussies i don't do that stuff :)

[.C GFX]

Frank, dont lie please!

[Thrasher]

how so matey??!

[.C GFX]

You do joints

[Joker]

You do joints

Ugh.

People don't "do" joints, weed, blunts, bowls, bongs, etc. They smoke >.>

Sorry, I always get mad when people say "do" instead of "smoke" when talking about weed :loll::loll::loll:

[.Scream]

Marijuana should be legalised more for medical uses only.

[ME24saken]

A lot of drugs are legal if you use them for medical stuff. Even heroin.

[status.]

I'm fine with legalizing marijuana in the United States, but do not say it does not harm you in any way.


I know this is quoting you from a long time ago, but I wanted to comment on what you said.

To clear it up, weed does NOT contain any chemicals or compounds that harm the brain. There is evidence of this. The corrupted government throws facts at us that are worded in a way to make the general public believe in them. They want support. And they are WRONG in this sense.

However, I am not saying that smoking weed does not do damage. The simple fact is, is that marijuana is a plant. When someone smokes, he or she is inhaling plant matter, as well as high temperature smoke. In that sense, yes, weed is not good for you.

But, marijunana has never been linked to ANY diseases (including brain function and cancer) and has never killed anyone.

EDIT: Cigarettes are responsible for more than 440,000 deaths annually. If the government had our safety in mind, they would do something about this.

Now, I'm not saying weed should be legal and everything else bad shouldn't, but people need to be educated. The general public has the general consensus that "weed is bad" and "weed makes you dumb." No it doesn't. I'm not upset with people who think that, I'd just like to show them the truth.

[Sven]

I don't like mind altering anything... Don't smoke nor do I drink... but as far as weed goes I have less problems with people who smoke weed than smoke cigarettes or drink their problems away ha. I see no real harm in marijuana.

[Drew]

I'm right there with you Dan (status right?), pot definitely has never caused a death, and it's not a "gateway drug" as they call it. Drinking is far worse in my own opinion.

[status.]

I'm right there with you Dan (status right?), pot definitely has never caused a death, and it's not a "gateway drug" as they call it. Drinking is far worse in my own opinion.

Yes, I agree. Drinking is far worse for you.

Taken from the definition of a gateway drug:
The gateway substance primes the brain for addiction to other substances

So yes, technically weed is not a gateway drug. It has no addictive compounds. However, smoking may increase the probability of someone wanting to try harder drugs. But that's all in personal choice :p

[Graphyte]

I don't smoke, and marijuana is more addictive than tabaco, it's just that tabaco is used more commonly.

However, in some places there should be special places where you should be able to smoke it freely under control. This would reduce the number of gangs I guess.

[status.]

I don't smoke, and marijuana is more addictive than tabaco, it's just that tabaco is used more commonly.

However, in some places there should be special places where you should be able to smoke it freely under control. This would reduce the number of gangs I guess.

You are wrongly informed...

[Thrasher]

You are wrongly informed...

Your true and false about that the difference is that smoking makes your body addicted & your mind addicted, smoking pod makes only your mind addicted but you can't say that it is less addictive.

[Graphyte]

You see people smoke 3 boxes of cigarettes a week (at least my mom). And you say their addicting is bigger than most people smoking marijuana, however I wana see you compare someone smoking the exact same quantity of marijuana as someone else does tabaco, then tell me who has the biggest addiction.

[status.]

You see people smoke 3 boxes of cigarettes a week (at least my mom). And you say their addicting is bigger than most people smoking marijuana, however I wana see you compare someone smoking the exact same quantity of marijuana as someone else does tabaco, then tell me who has the biggest addiction.

I agree

[Sven]

Tobacco creates a physical addiction due to the nicotine which is habit forming. Whereas weed is addictive on the same mental level as drinking or anything for that matter...

[Drew]

I agree with Sven above. Tobacco has that added effect of nicotine. Essentially you can become addicted to anything, there's people addicted to forums for that matter. Point is, from my point of view, with smoking marijuana, there are times when it's addictive and you want to keep puffing, but there are also times when your able to say no, I've had enough. I feel that with cigarettes, even though I've never used them (but I've seen their effects on others), the effect is long-lasting and the craving for a cigarette happens often.

[Davedooooo]

http://i53.tinypic.com/2e67qro.png

Nuff Said.

[Thrasher]

So i assume i should take every morning on my job some Lsd and Marijuana instead of Coffee?!

[Davedooooo]

So i assume i should take every morning on my job some Lsd and Marijuana instead of Coffee?!


Hell yes.

[.C GFX]

Ok, enoguh fighting, I live in CA, all the ppl here smoke weed, even thow its ileagal, In london my cousin who lives there says that ppl dont go drinking after work, but to smoke weed. It natrual chill its not as bad as nicotine or anything else

[Thrasher]

It is way worse since a lot of the effects aren't taken along with us in these facts

what about schizophrenia and all the other mind problems it results in, i've seen enough people not working there live out because of weed(including 3 people taken into rehab and 1 suicide). I do am for legalising weed(and i also smoke), but don't tell me it is worse then a sigaret ;)

damn.. Wrong button..

[Graphyte]

I'm saying it's okay as long as it's controlled. Legal weed = Less gangs.

As long as they don't try to legalize heroine after weed I'm fine.

[ME24saken]

It is way worse since a lot of the effects aren't taken along with us in these facts

what about schizophrenia and all the other mind problems it results in, i've seen enough people not working there live out because of weed(including 3 people taken into rehab and 1 suicide). I do am for legalising weed(and i also smoke), but don't tell me it is worse then a sigaret ;)

damn.. Wrong button..
It is legalised here, Frank o_O

And i excedently hitted the edit button :P

[Thrasher]

i meant the opinion about legalizing world wide ;)

Did you edit my post :O!:P

[ME24saken]

I wanted to quote you, but i didn't realised untill i posted it that i actually editted your post :(

Anyways, I don't think it should be legalised worldwide. It's good for Dutch economics if the whole world comes to us :)

[Davedooooo]

I wanted to quote you, but i didn't realised untill i posted it that i actually editted your post :(

Anyways, I don't think it should be legalised worldwide. It's good for Dutch economics if the whole world comes to us :)

I heard that your coffees shops don't sell weed even to adults if they're not from Netherlands anymore. True or false?


GOD PLEASE SAY FALSE I WANT TO GO TO AMSTERDAM FOR MY PROM TRIP

[Thrasher]

False :P they pretty much sell it to everybody that looks close to 18 ;)

[ME24saken]

They want to do that, but I don't think they can get that law passed..

[Thrasher]

Yeah they are thinking about getting a law for that, but that idea was mainly for the cities and towns close to the border right?

[ME24saken]

Yeah, it was because some troubles in Tilburg, right?